Surprised by Crowds in Our Special Place
The first surprise came after we crawled over a precarious pass above Bighorn Basin: down at Walker Lake, midweek campers in every lake site. This continued into the weekend as we met dozens of backpackers in or enroute to lake basins in the Cecil D. Andrus-White Clouds Wilderness in central Idaho.
Next the confused couple who passed our camp asking if they were on trail (they were). They were doing “White Cloud Peaks Loop” without a map.
Next, meeting couple with chubby dog who had just clambered up Devil’s Staircase scree chimney in sneakers to do 30-mile “Loop” running trails back to Fourth of July starting point.
(BTW a social trail according to Wikipedia is a path aided by erosion from human or animal traffic…where constructed trails are circuitous or nonexistent. Devil’s Staircase was trail shown on older maps but is no longer on new maps; this unmaintained zig zag route fits this definition.)
We also met or saw others near Windy Devil Pass where visible trail from the lake basin ends. Most were doing the Loop, and some visiting beautiful Quiet Lakes Basin bordered by Patterson, Castle, and Merriam Peaks. (David had hoped to backpack here in the 1960s but was thwarted by his older buddies getting distracted by girls in Ketchum enroute to the mountains.) Loop variants include different routes to different people.
The last straw was being passed by a family of four with dog who ignored the Devil’s Staircase zig zags and bounced straight down scree to Born Lakes (we pulled over to the side and waited, not wanting to dislodge a deadly boulder). They said they had come from Bighorn Basin.
They probably did part of our loop backwards, from Fourth of July Lake to Born Lakes, down Warm Springs Trail and up Iron Basin over small pass to Bighorn, over goat path into Big Boulder Basin, around on trail or over ridge route to Boulder Chain lakes, then over Windy Devil to overtake us.
Since wilderness designation, the White Clouds are no longer a local secret.

Cecil D. Andrus-White Clouds Wilderness was designated in 2015. These mountains were David’s favorite since he first fished alpine lakes here as a teen in 1960s. This 90,000-acre wilderness is hidden behind other ranges in the Sawtooth National Recreation Area (SNRA), created in 1972 partly to protect White Clouds from proposed open pit molybdenum mine at foot of iconic Castle Peak. The issue sparked David’s concern and led to his career in natural resources.
The 2017 and 2019 visits, backpacks 9 and 10 of trips in every decade over past 50 years—our longest timeframe for visiting any wilderness. These trips (and a part of our 2016 Central Idaho trek) GPS mapped almost every trail to all major lake basins in this wilderness.
Changes we’ve seen include some degraded pass trails (now omitted from maps), 2019 avalanche debris covering some trails (perhaps temporary), and even some trail improvement (on segments now closed to motorcycles and mountain bikes); also, some impacts of 2005 Valley Road Fire but mostly just outside wilderness), recent whitebark pine mortality which added more white snags since last 1930s outbreak, and apparent decline in lake fishing success. We used to see mountain goats closer to trails but still saw goats and bighorn sheep from a distance. Wilderness designation has drawn many more visitors to a once desolate area. Minimal trail system is being augmented by growing network of skittery human-made routes (social trails).
Visit statistics (of 2017 & 2019 trips combined): 15 days, 121 miles at an average of 1.6 miles per hour, and 475 feet per mile average elevation change.
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White Clouds: David’s Private Idaho
David, who grew up on a farm near Jerome in 1960s, two hours south of central Idaho mountains, fished and hiked in the White Clouds as a teen. On the first visit with brother and friend, they tried to hike to a lake basin but got lost trying to follow ridges with only planimetric national forest map. Next they clambered upstream to Lower Champion Lake for fishing. About halfway up they were surprised to find a trail—more circuitous but much faster!
David then realized the dashed lines on the map were “trails” which provided easier access into the vast backcounty and lake basins. He spent many hours studying maps for White Clouds trails to hike someday. His fishing standard was Lower Champion Lake, remote and rarely visited in the 1960s with large fish that readily bit within a few casts on a Krocodile Spoon.
In 1975 David thru-hiked with his dog across the White Clouds, crossed the Sawtooth Valley, and then traversed the Sawtooths (he invited me but I refused). A brother dropped him off at Slate Creek Trailhead, he hiked to O’Calkens Lake, up Bighorn Basin, and over a pass below D.O. Lee Peak. He recalls trail all the way. He dropped down Big Boulder Basin, passed Castle Peak and Champion Lakes down to Sawtooth Valley. He saw no one until he hitched a ride on road to Hell Roaring Trailhead into Sawtooth Wilderness to hike to his car parked at Stanley Lake.
In 1981, we repeated some of David’s thru-hike in reverse following ridge instead of trails. We climbed by Patterson Peak hiking cross-country to Big Boulder Basin, crossed a pass above O’Calkens Lake, then looped back to Born Lakes. I recall descent to O’Calkens: sliding cautiously down steep scree while David bounded past wearing his backpack, tugging my backpack with one hand, and cradling his aging Brittany Spaniel under his other arm (turned out to be her last hike). I now realize the trail David followed in 1975 was already gone in 1981 and the descent scary. Goats, the main users, often do not “maintain” switchbacks.
In 2016, David and I camped at Upper Champion as part of a circular loop through White Clouds and larger trek through Idaho wilderness from Hailey to Salmon (previously posted as Central Idaho Trek). Much of the basin had burned in the 2005 Valley Road Fire and, to David’s disappointment, not a single fish bit. (I did see a herd of elk at the far end of the lake; they saw me also and immediately vanished).
2019 Visit: 1975 Repeat
Our 2019 visit to the White Clouds repeated the first two days of David’s 1975 trek and last day of 1981 trip. We hiked to O’Calkens Lake on old trail (partly obliterated by two avalanches after a dry winter was followed by a heavy February snow all at once). Trail David took in 1975 above O’Calkens through Bighorn Basin was mostly gone—we clambered up goat routes over a pass below D. O. Lee Peak. That night we joined friends camped at Walker Lake at lower end of Big Boulder basin (a large group among many others). After a day of hiking back into upper lakes, we continued our loop out of the basin, across on Livingston Mill-Castle Divide Trail, up Boulder Chain, over Windy Devil Pass, down Warm Springs Creek Trail, and up Iron Basin back to O’Calkens.
People were the new addition: about 20 mid-week at Walker; many peak baggers, anglers, and hikers in upper basins from one of three “social trails” from the lake. Hiking down Friday morning we met about 40 people coming up. A few backpackers and mountain bikers on Livingston Trail outside wilderness which connects the two basins. Hiking into Boulder Chain, we saw more than 50 people (including large Boy Scout group at Hatchet Lake) hiking or camped on lower lakes; many huddled around fires as light rain had moved in. We camped in solitude at brushy Lodgepole Lake until the first “White Clouds Loopers” the next morning.
After descending Devils and passing weekend campers on Born Lakes, we saw no one the rest of our loop. We crossed two more recent avalanche runouts and a hunting camp. No sign for turnoff from Warm Springs to O’Calkens Lake, perhaps burned in the Valley Road Fire we hiked through for several miles. We wandered until we found steep trail switch-backing up.
Near the top, Iron Basin broadened—one end headed west towards a tarn below Watson Peak while our route turned east to the pass above O’Calkens Lake. About 20 bighorn sheep (including several full curl rams) ambled west, walking on a steep-scree slope like sidewalk. We turned east, crossed rolling hills, then descended old trail back to the lake where we skirted yet another avalanche. I wonder if anyone will ever cut out this rarely used old trail.
2017 Visit: Basin & Trail loop, routes rougher than 1981
On the first full day of a circuit hike crossing through most of the upper basins in White Clouds, I launched an avalanche on Gunsight Pass—but it was rocks not snow.
After thrashing up washed out mining road on Livingston Creek, we now climbed steep slopes above Crater Lake. Slipping on hard icy snow behind David, I made for the rocks across swale, clambering up small boulders towards a flat above. Then the slope was rolling beneath my feet. I scrambled frantically, pulling myself above the rockslide onto safer ground. After that, our last 40-degree crawl up gravel alongside icy chimney seemed quite reasonable.
The descent to Gunsight Lake was nicer. Other than a fresh hatch of gnats, we had this serene basin all to ourselves while David caught a fish for dinner; Tin Cup Lake over the next rise was equally desolate.
Gunsight was the steepest of eight passes we crossed heading south on first five days of our trek across upper lake basins with only a few trail segments; return only took 2 days on good trail and jeep road. The route offered solitude—except for day hikers and two groups doing parts of our ambitious route. On trails we saw more people and moved much faster.
We followed some of our 1981 route “backwards”, climbing from Island Lake (in Boulder Chain) over ridge, dropping into Upper Boulder Chain lakes and then over Windy Devil to Quiet Lakes Basin. However, we found little of the trail we remembered between the two big basins; we slid our way down a precarious chimney. We also found thec ridge route (above Quiet Lakes/ Four Lakes basins) we’d followed over Patterson in 1981 to be much more precarious; we dropped into Upper Chamberlain instead of crossing the peak.
At a small lake above Upper Chamberlain Lake we rejoined the trail system. We also met a gaggle of girls in shorts and tanks tops, music blaring, returning from an unsuccessful attempt to climb Castle Peak. They ran out of time and turned back, intending to clamber back over a ridge (we had just descended) to their camp at Washington Lake. Rain was threatening; hope they made it back ok.
I took evening jaunt around lakes, meeting an angler and a cheery young woman trailed by tired mom and barking dog—they camped across lake from us. Next morning, I saw the angler’s tent above Lower Chamberlain, and a large horse camp on the other side.
Later we found an outfitter camp on Little Boulder Creek with canvas tents open, clean, and ready for summer. White Cloud Outfitters owned camp; and perhaps packed in the group I saw on Chamberlain Lake. (The Forest Service’s wilderness plan will allow two camps and five outfitters that pre-dated wilderness designation).
We saw more people: family spotting for mountain goats on Castle Peak, a dad and two sons doing partly trailless loop (we had met them earlier at Quiet Lake) two motorcycles that passed us at creek crossing (non-wilderness trail portions are open to motorcycles). On a rainy evening, we made camp off the trail in a spruce grove near meadow with trickling seep.
On a clear cold morning I dropped to Big Boulder Creek to meet four backpackers starting up the basin. I welcomed the bridge across the roaring creek. After circling around Livingston Mill—built in 1924 built including neat rows of miner cabins for lead-silver-zinc operation up Jim Creek (that became hazardous waste cleanup site in 2008), we came to trailhead where 24 vehicles were parked.
We took Railroad Ridge Road past Livingston. Old cars, no one in sight, and buildings and roofs with “TRUMP” painted in large block letters. We skipped the side road through privately owned site and remnants of cleanup. (A friend of ours later interviewed the owner and found him quite interesting along with his larger “TRUMP” sign painted on rocks within cleanup-site, visible only from the air or high vantage point.)
After steep climb on hot hill above Jim Creek, we took obscure left fork into basin, hearing vehicles above us on main road winding to ridge. We passed the main Livingston Mine and a large dormitory building, then met main road on ridge. No trucks but one motorcyclist. A road left the ridge to switch-back down near Crater Lake. (The roads go to patented mining claims on private land, according to Ed Cannady, former backcountry manager, Sawtooth National Recreation Area). We followed another steep road with downed trees, not shown on our map, that dropped down the ridge and switch-backed into Livingston canyon, completing our circuit. We hiked a mile down, dropped packs at our first camp of the trip, and spent one more night in solitude (out of food except for a few snacks).
(The route up Livingston Creek, trashed by floods some years ago, is an illegal mining road and was never official trail. Although it’s legal to hike, Cannady said the Forest Service will never fix it up because basins above are thought to be lambing areas for bighorn sheep.)
Wilderness Designation
The 2015 Idaho Wilderness bill included the Cecil D. Andrus-White Clouds, culminating a 40-year battle to protect them. This began in 1968, when a molybdenum mine was proposed for 11,815-foot Castle Peak. American Smelting and Refining Company (ASARCO) wanted to blast open the peak and create an open pit mine 7000 feet long, 700 feet wide and 600 feet deep; a two-mile tailings pond for mine waste with a 400-foot dam in Little Boulder Creek and a 10-mile haul road to the East Fork Road—a new large high-mountain “lake” with good road access was the consolation offered by ASARCO after ore depleted. The Mining Law of 1872, as amended, did and still governs mining on National Forests.
The project was stopped by the SNRA Act of 1972 which allowed mining but not if it might “substantially impair …natural, scenic, historic, pastoral and fish and wildlife values.” It also prevented new road construction. Although ASARCO had air-transported some prospecting equipment near Baker Lake (where roads and bridge are still evident), the Forest Service had delayed main-access road permitting. The SNRA encompassed both Sawtooths and White Clouds but only designated the Sawtooths as wilderness while White Clouds remained Wilderness Study Area due to mining industry resistance. Wilderness was proposed to Congress in 1983, 1986, and 1993 but not legislated until 2015.
Is wilderness status drawing more White Clouds visitors? I asked SNRA’s Ed Cannady about this in 2017 before his 2019 retirement (link may be slow to load but nice photos). He said anecdotal evidence shows more people came in 2016 (the Act was passed in late 2015); also record numbers visited Sawtooth Lake, Fourth of July Lake, Railroad Ridge, and other areas around White Clouds in August 2017—but likely more influenced by good location to view the total solar eclipse.
“The (Idaho) wilderness act got a lot of publicity because it was sponsored by a Republican Senator and passed by a Republican Congress,” Cannady noted. “I call it the ‘new car effect.’ A few people will come and check it out, then the new car smell will wear off.”
We met a few people from Oregon and Washington scrambling the White Clouds’ white-walled splendor but minimal use in the upper trailless basins, and it looked like mostly in-state visitors to lower lakes. Non-wilderness mountain bike and motorcycle use has stayed within bounds (although they are probably quite disappointed with lost access).
The excellent design of Livingston Mill-Castle Divide Trail has minimized environmental impact on sections outside wilderness. But a spaghetti system of eroded social trails is growing. In response to growing public use for off-trail peak bagging and lake basin hopping, the Forest Service could minimize impacts by at least putting cairns on the pass routes to channel people (and perhaps wildlife) to a single route.
(Facebook users can follow Ed Cannady’s photos and wilderness ideas.)
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